Catholic Sobriety

Speaker 1 0:00

Welcome to the Catholic Sobriety podcast , the go-to resource for women seeking to have a deeper understanding of the role alcohol plays in their lives , Women who are looking to drink less or not at all for any reason . I am your host , Christy Walker . I'm a wife , mom and a joy-filled Catholic , and I am the Catholic Sobriety coach , and I am so glad you're here . Okay , so welcome everybody . Today I am so excited because I have Denise Jellanick here today on the podcast , and she is a grateful Catholic convert . She is a wife of 20 years and , after years of infertility , is blessed to be the mom of her two teenage boys . Although once a binge-eater , an over-drinker and chronic people pleaser , she is now a Catholic health and weight loss coach , dedicated to helping women grow closer to Christ and pursue peace as they learn to live free of excess weight , emotional eating and all the things that distract and lure them with artificial comfort . Denise , I am so excited to have you here today .

Speaker 2 1:25

Thank you so much Thank you . I am so excited to be here too .

Speaker 1 1:31

Yeah , so I guess we'll just get started . I would love to hear what your story is as it relates to binge eating and over-drinking . If you can just kind of share some of that with us , that would be amazing .

Speaker 2 1:45

Yeah , growing up , christy , I was a really shy kid and I'll never forget the very first time that I had alcohol . I think I was 14 years old and it was like magic for like 15 minutes before I threw up . But it was like amazing , and in high school and college it was really the way that I could be the person that I wanted to be Fun enough , I could be outgoing enough , I could be confident enough . I'm sure this is a story that so many of your listeners can relate to , but it wasn't until I got to graduate school that food became an issue and I realized it's because that's when I started living alone . So until that point I would just , you know , party and over-drink , and you know it's totally socially acceptable . But I graduated school was a very first time I was living alone . I had a professional job as well , and so I had lots of alone time . And that's when I started binge eating , mostly from loneliness , and my whole history with binge eating is all done in secrecy . So when .

Speaker 2 3:01

I look back , it's when I'm feeling alone , would never let anybody else see that I was doing it . And what's really interesting is that I was a personal trainer . I was in the fitness industry , so it was even like this source of shame , because I'm told in the industry that it's so focused on diet , weight loss . You'll hear a little bit more about that story as we go along , but I couldn't do it myself . I was using food to cover my feelings and I was totally constantly in this mental gymnastics of what do I eat , when do I eat , thinking about food like 85 to 90% of the day and towards the end of my binge eating career , I would rather be standing in the corner of my kitchen with a jar of peanut butter , a spoon dumping chocolate chips in there than being with my family . And as you read , I mean , we had two kids that we adopted . We struggled with infertility , so we really pursued having these kids .

Speaker 2 4:04

What in the world was wrong with me ? I was even like so preoccupied with my kids plates , hoping that they would leave food on their plate so I could eat it while I was cleaning up . I couldn't wait for my husband to go to bed so I could stay up to me like I wanted to and nothing was giving me lasting results . And what I knew my results was relief , long-term relief . No diets , no therapies , no trainers , no program . I just thought , if I could just find the right thing , you know , the magic diet , the magic trainer , that one person . I just kept throwing money at this and I didn't really have a turning point for years , until one Christmas I was just done .

Speaker 2 4:52

The teller was doing more and more secret eating I didn't want to do , and that was the thing it's like . I literally could see myself doing things and being like why am I doing this ? It was so confusing and you know anybody in your audience has ever . That's how I knew I was an emotional eater , like I have the best intentions to not do something and yet I watch myself do it and have no idea how to stop .

Speaker 1 5:24

Yeah , so when you were binge eating , were you still over drinking or had you had that changed into the binge eating , like , had you stopped over drinking and then the binge eating took over , or were you doing both simultaneously ?

Speaker 2 5:41

So I think you know , in the world of recovery we always say you deal with what's killing you first , especially when you're dual addicted . And I would say when I first was most tormented by the food . But once I gave up binge eating , it was a part of me that was like , oh , it's no big deal , I'll just start drinking more . And so if you're familiar with the concept of whack-a-mole , which means we put one addiction down , pick up another one and that's really been my whole story Just go down , picked up alcohol . Really significantly , it really started to take off Now .

Speaker 2 6:26

Prior to that , I had been doing things with alcohol . It was really odd , like drinking on the way home from the grocery store couple times , even drinking with my kids in the car , or like drinking before my son's kindergarten graduation . I was just again just kind of like with the food . I'm doing things . I'm like why am I even doing this ? So I got into food recovery in January of 2014 . And I slowly by slowly started to see my wine consumption increase and increase and increase and go earlier in the day , and earlier in the day , and more justifications , and more justifications . And then my life started to get really black and white when I wasn't drinking . So I would just think I could get through the whole day knowing that that couple of us the wine was at the end of the day yeah .

Speaker 1 7:27

That's so . I mean , I hear that so often and women just rushing bedtime or trying to do things so quick so that they can get to the end of the day . And , like you said , we pray for these children . We love them . We don't intentionally want to miss out on moments with them , but then we can see how that addictive mindset just kind of draws us to where that's all we can think about and focus on getting to that reward . I deserve it , you know , or whatever .

Speaker 1 8:01

But , the other thing that's interesting is that some of my clients they go the other way . It's they give up drinking and then food becomes the issue .

Speaker 2 8:11

Do you deal with that as ?

Speaker 1 8:12

well .

Speaker 2 8:13

So I want to answer that and I want to say that is so good , that is so good to me . So here's what happened I gave up the food , picked up drinking , and then I got drunk one night and binged , and at that point in my life my food recovery was the most precious thing . It was my way to God , it was my way to be the mom I wanted to be , to be the wife I wanted to be , to stop hating myself , and alcohol was going to take that from me . That's when I drew the line . I thought I'll be darned my life flying at that point which was my food recovery over to alcohol . Yeah , that's it , I'm done .

Speaker 2 9:01

And so , of course , I had to get help for alcohol at that point , and I'll remember a woman who was helping with my food . She said , denise , I've never seen anybody work two programs , yeah , successfully . And I was like , well , you're going to have to see it now , because I'm not willing to eat and I'm not willing to drink , and this is just what I need to do . Ok , so , to answer your question , I know that God was taking care of me because he let me put food down first and then alcohol , because had it been the other way , I would have never put food down , ever , ever , really , oh gosh . No , because I'd be like , at least I'm not drinking .

Speaker 1 9:47

Yeah , exactly , at least I'm not drinking .

Speaker 2 9:49

Mm-hmm , because it's so socially acceptable , especially in the sobriety world . Well , we'll have cake , we'll have candy , we'll have this , we'll have that , yeah . But the thing is is that we see it , it's not the substance , christine , and this is what all of our , all of your listeners , need to know . It is not the substance that takes you away from Christ . You can put anything in there . It's the needing to have something to get through life .

Speaker 2 10:24

You know , it's that whole belief of I'll be okay . Yeah , I'll be okay if I can get to the end of the day and have a couple of glasses of wine . I'll be okay if my husband just goes to bed so I can stay up and eat the peanut butter . I'll be okay if he stops acting that way and so you can put food , alcohol , somebody else's behavior , anything that we're putting in that line , that fill in the blank . We're making our little G God . I'll be okay if my teenager just does blah , blah , blah . I'll be okay if they get the A's on the test . I'll be okay if my house looks clean enough .

Speaker 1 11:02

Yeah , yeah , that's so , so , so true . I love your this kind of leads into it because it's we are . We're making an idol of whatever it is , whether it's drinking or phone , use food , you know , whatever it is , and I love that . You I don't . Is it the name of your website ? It's turn to God , not food . Yeah , is that correct ? Yeah , I just love that because it's so true . Because when we're drinking , even when we're numbing , even if we're not drinking like , have an addiction , but we're just drinking just to numb or just kind of , you know , relieve some stress , we think we're relieving stress that still , you know , takes us away from God because we're turning to something else , we're not turning to God in those moments .

Speaker 2 11:56

And I don't want to pretend oh , I'm sorry , go ahead . No , go ahead . I don't want to pretend to be like a purist , like we should be on our knees all day Now . Trust me . Lord . I mean , like the Lord knows that I just absolutely adore and love him . But what I'm trying to say is that let's just go with our eyes wide open . There's faith fun and there's real fun . And do you know the difference between that , christy ?

Speaker 1 12:26

Oh , I'll tell you this . You tell me .

Speaker 2 12:29

The real fun is , you know what ? We're having a really good time and I feel really good about it the next day . Faith fun is hey , this is gonna be great and we're having a great time and I feel horrible about myself the next day .

Speaker 1 12:44

Yeah , yeah .

Speaker 2 12:46

So I'm not saying that nobody should ever drink or nobody should ever eat chocolate , but just go in with your eyes wide open . Right , it's when we're feeling lured . It's like a bait and switch . I thought it would make me feel better . I know I feel horrible about myself .

Speaker 1 14:08

Well , it's not that my God wants us to live . Yeah , oh , I totally agree , and I think that you and I with our work it seems like from what I know from your work and what I do with my clients is it is about bringing awareness of like , why am I drinking ? Like what Q happened ? What did I feel afterwards ? How much did I drink or how much did I eat and those types of things ? Because , like you said , it could just be for fun . I went to a wedding and I had , you know , whatever .

Speaker 1 14:40

I can't , because I'm an addict and if I have any alcohol it'll set me back . But that's not the case for everyone and it's not the case for all of my clients , but some of them will just not drink it unless they know that it's going to be , you know , like a celebratory thing , like a wedding , or maybe they are going to out with the girls . So there's that aspect of it . But then there is are you using it for the wrong reasons ? Is it serving you ? How do you feel afterwards ? Like you were saying what do you feel like in the next morning ?

Speaker 2 15:15

I'll tell you , I knew that I had a problem with alcohol . And then , like I kind of had an inkling , like years before , because I like to say , my relationship was like I always drank for the effect , always , of course , I always did everything for the effect . But when I was in my food recovery plan or program , you know , I was told , well , just , you know , plan how much alcohol you're going to have . And I couldn't do it . I mean , like I could plan it , I might be able to stick to it or I might not , like I could not predictably be able to stick to it . And then that's when I was like oh so I'm going to see your point where you're like , well , just you know , decide what you want and , low-tone , make you feel good , and just stick to that . You can never do that . That's how I knew I had a problem .

Speaker 1 16:03

Yeah , exactly that's the same with me . Like I never drank like a quote , unquote normal person . It was always for an effect , like you said , and I started drinking when I was 14 and that's when I first got drunk . And then every time afterwards it was always like how much can I consume ? But that's not the way for everybody . Like , my husband drinks fine and he's like a responsible drinker and doesn't do it all the time . You know those types of things . So there are people that can moderate . I'm definitely not one of those people with alcohol , but I can moderate other things , so , yeah , so why don't you tell us a little bit about your work as a Catholic health and weight loss coach and so I'm excited to hear about this .

Speaker 2 16:49

So I have been a personal trainer for over 20 years , having my own business , and my businesses

Finding Purpose in Christian Coaching

Speaker 2 16:57

were 100% secular , 100% secular . And then the pandemic hit . I came home , out of the gym , the gym's closed and I started working virtually Like . I had a good taste of that and I loved working virtually and I thought you know , I wanna get recertified as a coach . I was a wellness coach prior to that . I think I'm recertified as a coach , you know , that way I can help women with all the things the diet , the exercise , the sleep , the stress , the everything .

Speaker 2 17:30

And I'm going through my certification and I just had this like a hit by a two by four from God that he's like ha ha ha , denise , you thought that you were giving your certification to create some great new business . Like , I don't want that for you . That's not what I've created you for . I want you to bring souls to me . I was kind of like souls to you . What ? And the more I started to refine what he created me for .

Speaker 2 18:07

It was this you know , I never spoke publicly about being a Benjeter and I can't believe what . I guess I do know how much secrecy and shame is around it . And the Lord is like , yeah , you need to help women come out of this and live close to me . Well , I was like I don't think so , lord . I think that's kind of like professional suicide . So I got this feeling like I should be , you know , bring souls to Christ . But , like I said , I thought it would be professional suicide . But I started looking can I even be a Christian , a Christian coach , is that like a thing ? That's how I was . And then I came upon a business coach that was Catholic and I was like , oh , dare I be Catholic ? I love my Catholic faith , I love it .

Speaker 2 18:59

Yeah , and just finding a community of Catholic women . That's where I found you , and I'm like , yes , because you know , and you and I share the same business coach that says that she often asks herself am I willing to look foolish for Christ ? But it doesn't even matter , because I know this is exactly what he created me for . Yeah , and there's a lot of things that you and I are really good at and could be lending our talents to , but he created other people for those things . He only created me for this , and I'm very clear on that . I'm just very clear on that , which , I think , just makes it even easier to do his work , because the work that I do with women isn't me , it's just all him .

Speaker 1 19:48

Yeah , I love that and I totally share that . I mean , you just know when you know you know right , you just feel it and you can feel guided and you know that this is what you were meant to do . And sometimes I'll think or I'll even say like I wish that there was somebody like me when I got sober . But then I think you know what ? No , because that's what God made me for . You know , he did the work . You did the work that you did so that we could then help Catholic women just live lives that they love in freedom and grow close to Christ . And I love that .

Speaker 2 20:33

And I think that because you and I did not have us , you know , like ourselves , we can then see where the holes are . And you know , when I talk to women , I've been in recovery for eight years now and a couple of things that I say is you know what I've learned in those eight years ? It doesn't need to take years , right , exactly ? I mean like because we have this perspective and you now can see , oh , these are the most important things to do at the times that you do them . Let's just do this . And when we can marry it with faith from the , you know right out of the gate , oh yeah , people can have recovery so much quicker . It's so much more of a streamlined process . Mm , hmm .

Speaker 1 21:18

Yeah , I completely agree . Oh , okay , so you and I are very passionate about helping women become the best version of themselves , so that they can live a beautiful and fulfilling life that God has planned for them . How do you think that food and alcohol and other disordered attachments are getting in the way of that ?

Speaker 2 21:43

Yeah , here's . The thing is that there's a point where you realize something might rot here , mm , hmm , something's not right , and you think there's something wrong with you , that you're broken . I didn't know what was wrong with me , but what I want everybody who's listening to know is that there's absolutely nothing wrong with me and there's nothing wrong with them . What happens is we start getting in these patterns of turning to food , turning to alcohol , turning to my husband's approval , turning to I'll be okay as long as my kids get good grades , and we start getting these patterns of looking to fill in the blank for comfort and peace and security and I love that word security .

Speaker 2 22:31

I'm going to be okay and I feel secure if and that's the thing is that we get into these patterns of turning to something else other than God , and he wants to meet all of our needs and he wants to give us the comfort that we're searching for . And what's really interesting is that a lot of people might even be asking like does God even care ?

Speaker 1 22:56

what I weigh .

Speaker 2 22:57

Does God even care how much I drink ? And you know God doesn't care , but I do know what God does care about . And in Romans 12 to they say do not conform to the ways of this world , but be transformed

Transforming Mind and Relationship With Food

Speaker 2 23:11

by the renewal of the mind . Okay , let me break it down . Do not conform to the ways of this world , because this world would be like why night ? Why , now , you know , let's eat burritos , tacos and tequila . I mean it's like gut it up , drink it up and it's totally fine . But do not conform to the ways of the world . This do not conform to the ways of this world , but be transformed by the renewal of your mind . And the renewal of your mind is like having true freedom , true peace . Because , no matter what the world wants to tell you , you know something doesn't feel right . You know when you're feeling trapped , you know when you don't feel free .

Speaker 2 24:09

And for food and weight , the world says just be the magic size . Right , longer than the magic size , have a magic diet . And , christy , I had all that . When I came into food recovery , I was maybe 15 to 20 pounds more than I am now . I don't know why I wasn't over 200 . Actually , I do know , I don't think I ever got over 200 pounds because I didn't ever get pregnant , okay , and I was always an exerciser , right . So anyway , that's just a little side note . But does God really care about what you weigh or what you drink ? I don't think he does , but what he does care about is being fully united with us , wouldn't you agree ?

Speaker 1 24:51

Yeah , oh , I totally agree with that , absolutely .

Speaker 2 24:54

Yes . And then he also cares about the way that we think about our weight and our body , or the way we think about how much we drink . It's making us feel bad about ourselves and preventing us from being closer to him . The truth is , he wants to be our everything and anything that's consuming our thoughts . That isn't life giving and freeing and peaceful isn't a lie .

Speaker 1 25:25

Right . Yeah , he gives us these things for pleasure and because he loves us and he wants us to enjoy them . But when we start having more of a disordered attachment to them , where we are putting them before him , that's when it is that we can tell that it's not good . Like you said , we just know in our bodies that it's not good even before we admit it to ourselves , I think , a lot of times . So what do the women who come to you for coaching think the problem is ? But what really is the problem that they're having with food ?

Speaker 2 26:07

Yeah , well , so many women , they think I mean they kind of know my whole stick . So , they know what they're coming to me for , but what they typically think is that they just have the magic diet , they just have the best exercise program , that they'd be totally fine . Just tell me what to eat and I'll eat it , which is total horse crap .

Speaker 1 26:35

People don't do that .

Speaker 2 26:37

I mean , they just don't do that . But what the real problem is is that we have to get to the root of why we eat . We've turned emotional eaters start turning to food to meet all of their needs . They're happy , they eat . We're sad , we eat . We're lonely , we eat . We're stressed , we eat , we celebrate , we eat . And what happens is so we have these problems , and this is what my life was like . I would have like a problem , but I didn't even really know what the problem was because I wasn't addressing it . I just had like an uncomfortable feeling .

Speaker 2 27:11

So I would eat over it , but it didn't actually change the problem . Now I have original problem plus all my bad feelings about myself because I ate , plus all my bad feelings about my body , all my shame about being a personal trainer who's overweight , plus that , that , that , that , that right . So it just compounds our feelings or our problems . So women think they just need to change their food . And here's what I tell people If you've had a hard time losing weight , it's not because you're doing it wrong , it's because you're starting in the wrong place . Because so many people are starting with changing their food , which is so crazy , you'll never be able to change your food because you never get to the root cause of actually why you're eating .

Speaker 2 27:59

And so what I help women do is to just come up with a really really , really easy to stick to meal plan that includes all the foods that they love , and then we address the real issues .

Speaker 2 28:11

And it doesn't happen overnight , I mean you know it's a whole step by step process , so it feels very natural and gentle . But I never tell women to give up any specific food they usually decide to , because I help them find where those foods are causing chaos in their lives and people don't come to me for their lives to get harder , that's for sure . They come to me because they want their lives to be more peaceful and easier and typically once they see kind of like I was with the alcohol this isn't making my life easier and it was taking more than it got to the point . Now , it's not always , it doesn't happen in the beginning , but when you have an addiction or you have , let's just say , a chaos causing food , in the beginning it brings like a lot of fun to your life . But there's a point , if you ever get to that tipping point where the food or the alcohol strips taking away more from your life than what it brings to you , and that's when you're at the bottom .

Speaker 1 29:14

Yeah , which is different for all of us , you know , and I just think that that is such a good point for sure , because it is . I love that . I love that you say chaos causing foods , and I've kind of and I've followed you and I've heard you do other coaching and your approach is just really unique .

Speaker 1 29:36

I've heard lots of different things you know about , like intermittent fasting and Whole30 and Weight Watchers . There's like all these things you know that you grow up hearing or you hear your approach does seem like it's so different and so gentle and not really super complicated . You know , like if you're trying to explain , I'm on Whole30 , well , I can't have this and I can't have that and I can't do this and I can't do that , and people are like what are you eating ? But when you can still eat the food you love , then you don't feel so like out of place . Maybe would you , would you say that , like if they go to a family function or they go to a party , or if they go , you know , to where other people are , does that help them not feel so like out of the loop ?

Speaker 2 30:29

I mean , here's the thing is that you know , typical and traditional weight loss starts , no matter if it's whole 30 weight watchers , all the things that you just listed . What does it start with ? It starts with let's change the way we eat . Let's change the way we listen . Women are not overweight because of what they eat and it has nothing to do with knowing what to eat . I was a personal trainer . For goodness sakes .

Speaker 2 30:53

I used to write diet plans for people , and when they would follow them . When they'd come back a week later

Food Freedom Weight Loss Intensive

Speaker 2 30:58

and they'd be like , yeah , I did this , I did this , I did this , I'd be like I think they were lying . I couldn't follow anything more than four or five days because then the weekend would come and that's the last time I'm going to do a stay on a plane for the weekend , yeah .

Speaker 2 31:14

So what happens is when we just focus on the food , then we put all of our energy and guess what we're still thinking about . We're still thinking about food , yeah , and it distracts us from the root of why we're eating .

Speaker 1 31:34

Yeah , the other ones , I mean , they're sustainable for a little bit , but it's hard to keep doing that . I think , through your whole entire life where yours , like you said , you're getting to the root of the problem and it just becomes a lifestyle , it just becomes part of who they are and they don't have to think about it after a while , I would guess .

Speaker 2 31:56

No , you never go off or go on . I've got . I've had women oh my gosh list list . Summer I had a woman who went on four vacations . In like five weeks she was like seven pounds . Wow , I mean , that's just .

Speaker 2 32:12

The thing is that it's really hard to articulate . What I teach women to do is to create an easy to stick to a mail plan Foods they love and the amounts that they feel good about . Nobody is overweight because they're eating a normal amount of food . They're just not . We're overweight because we're eating lots more food than we care to even admit . It's simply writing down food that you love . It helps you also grow and hurt you . It helps us grow in honesty and repairs the relationship with ourselves . And what's so interesting and let me just say this because I'm sure your listeners are like that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard . I don't want to do that or they're thinking , oh , I don't even know what I want to eat I love to ask women can you forgive ? And a half a million dollars to plan food for your kids so one day that you know they would enjoy and look forward to Could you do that ?

Speaker 1 33:13

Yeah , I think so For my kids , yeah , yeah .

Speaker 2 33:18

What if I give you half a million dollars to plan food for your husband , just for one day ? They'd be like oh thanks , hon , yeah thanks .

Speaker 1 33:28

Could you do that ? Yeah , probably , I know .

Speaker 2 33:33

One million dollars . Just make a best guess , just make an attempt , just try it . It's just one day , and if you don't follow what you wrote , it's totally fine too , anyway . So you know , the process is very intuitive , very gentle . I love it .

Speaker 1 33:51

Yeah , I think it sounds amazing and I mean the best part is is that you're helping women grow closer to God in the process and , like you said , grow in virtue , and I just absolutely love that . So , and you have an intensive coming up right . Can you tell my listeners about that ?

Speaker 2 34:13

Yeah , so it's called the food freedom weight loss intensive . It is an eight week program that we start February 13th If anybody's listening to this call live , we start February 13th of 2023 . It is with a beautiful Catholic wellness Catholic life coaching company called made for greatness . You can go to madeforgreatnessco to hear about it . But you know , as I told you , I started my food freedom journey eight years ago and what I've learned is that it doesn't need to take years , and so what I've taken is the best , most effective pieces of what I've learned that have not only given me freedom from feeling controlled and confused by food , but also brings me closer to Christ .

Speaker 2 35:07

And what people learn is a lifetime of how to live a lifetime at a healthy weight , eating the foods that they love . And here's the thing is that so many of the people listening , I know , are doing these prayers and they're praying and praying , and praying . And I remember being like what's wrong with my prayers ? Why aren't they working ? And it's not that we are , prayers aren't working , but we need some earthly help , and I found that it really boils down to a woman knowing herself and her needs , learning how to meet her real needs and then addressing the real issues rather than eating them . And I teach them all of that , all of that simple .

Speaker 1 35:55

Yeah , that's the best part . It's simple , it's doable . I mean it sounds so good and I mean eight weeks , just try it for eight weeks , right , and then Well , and it's what's really fun is that because it's happening during the it's eight weeks with other Catholic moms .

Speaker 2 36:12

You get 24-7 access , 24-hour , seven days a week , access to me as your weight loss coach . We have weekly group coaching calls . We have this workbook . Each week the women get a bite-sized video and it tells them what to focus on . So there's no guessing . You guys don't have to figure out anything . It's step by step . It's like do this this week to make progress , do this this week to make progress , and we don't skip steps , we just do one thing at a time . And my favorite part is that you don't need a diet and you don't need low power . You only need three things .

Speaker 2 36:53

You don't want the three things at Christy .

Speaker 1 36:55

I absolutely do want to know what are they ?

Speaker 2 36:58

You need a pen , you need the Holy Spirit and you need willingness , and you can't do it wrong , because God's the one that changes , changes and heals us . All we do is show up and do the steps . Do the steps that are laid out in the video each week . It's simple .

Speaker 1 37:21

It does . It sounds crazy simple . I love it and I know that it's going . I know that it's your intensive help already helped , like so many women , find food freedom , and I just think that's amazing . And I am so glad that you listened to God's call for your life and that you are doing this and helping so many women so that they can , yeah , just grow closer to him and find the freedom that he wants us all to have . He loves us so much that he just wants us to be free so that we can do all the things that he has , you know , planned for us , and I just think that's incredible . So , denise , thank you so much for being here today , and I am going to leave all the information about the intensive in the show notes and I even have Denise's email so you can get in touch with her if you have any questions or want to reach out to her for anything . And , denise , thank you so much . It's been such a blessing having you here , thank you .

Speaker 2 38:33

Christy , it's been such an honor . God bless you .

Speaker 1 38:37

God bless you . Thank you once again to my amazing guest , Denise Jelenick . You'll be able to find all the information about her food freedom intensive . That's an eight week intensive program that starts February 13th 2023 . She just has an amazing program that will teach you how to eat the food you want without feeling deprived and , just you know , not be ruled by food . It really does give you freedom . So thanks again , Denise . Well , that does it for this episode of the Catholic sobriety podcast . I hope you enjoyed this episode and I would invite you to share it with a friend who might also get value from it as well , and make sure you subscribe so you don't miss a thing . I am the Catholic sobriety coach and if you would like to learn how to work with me or learn more about the coaching that I offer , visit my website , thecatholicsobrietycoachcom . Follow me on Instagram at the Catholic sobriety coach . I look forward to speaking to you next time and remember I am here for you , I am praying for you . You are not alone . I am the Catholic sobriety coach .